Blazing Paddles - A Pickleball Podcast
Join us, John and Karen, for a married couple's take on Pickleball. Avoid "Pickleball Divorce," saddle up and have a cocktail, have a laugh, and enjoy guests and influencers in this unbelievable explosion of a sport the likes of which we've never seen.
Let's talk about the impact pickleball is having on our culture. From Boomers to Zoomers, every generation is discovering a new passion. A game that wasn't on the map three years ago now has millionaires playing, billionaires jousting, and people scrambling for some piece of the pickleball pie.
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Blazing Paddles - A Pickleball Podcast
The Virtual Pickleball Revolution
Have you ever wondered what the future of pickleball training might look like? Wonder no more. PlayKout, a revolutionary pickleball simulator, is changing the game by blending high-intensity training with addictive gameplay elements—creating what founders Sean Edwards and Jorge Guerrero aptly describe as "the TopGolf of pickleball."
During our visit to their Dallas headquarters, we experienced firsthand how this compact system (just 11' high x 11' wide x 4' deep) delivers an impressive workout while making practice genuinely fun. The concept is brilliant yet straightforward: a ball machine feeds pickleballs toward players who aim at targets displayed on a projection screen. Players can enjoy games like Tic-Tac-Toe, Connect Four, and target practice while hitting up to 40 balls per minute. The cognitive benefits are substantial—you're simultaneously tracking the ball, selecting targets, and executing shots, mimicking the split-second decisions required in actual match play.
What makes PlayKout particularly revolutionary is its dual focus on performance and entertainment. Unlike previous simulator attempts that emphasized just technical training, PlayKout creates an engaging experience that keeps players returning while simultaneously improving their skills. Professional tennis player John Isner described it as "dangerously fun" after trying the system—a sentiment we enthusiastically echo after our own sweaty session.
For facility owners, PlayKout represents an opportunity to monetize underutilized "dead space" by essentially adding another "court" that can generate revenue comparable to court rentals. The system is already heading to Dave & Buster's locations, Dill Dinkers franchises, and is being considered for cruise ships, corporate wellness programs, and even residential installations. The founders are even exploring virtual tournaments where players can compete across multiple locations.
Ready to see the future of pickleball training? Check out PlayKout on Instagram @PlayKout or visit their website at letsplaykout.com to witness this game-changing technology that's bringing virtual reality to the pickleball world.
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you know cause you're not just hitting a ball Now you're, I mean that can really help a player go to the next level. Cause you're, you have to think, you have to. You're doing two things really quick. I'm watching, I'm looking at the screen, watching the ball trying to hit the target, which is.
Speaker 2:what you need is, when you're playing matches like you have to use that cognitive side of it. You can do all the physical stuff you want to. How quickly is your mind thinking? One, where's this ball coming to, where am I going to hit it? And then, three, actually executing on it, which is not always easy because you're looking at here's the opening in the court. You know the players have moved to this space, I have an opening, but can I focus on the ball getting there and me also hitting that target and that's what it's great at working on is like yes, you have to make those quick decisions and it's good cognitive exercise.
Speaker 3:Hello Picklers, Welcome back to another episode of Blazing Paddles, and on this one, Karen and I got to have a little fun. Our old friend, Sean Edwards, that we met at the boot camp about a year and a half ago. He is now one of the co-founders of a company called PlayCout, and it is a pickleball simulator. He knew it was coming, so we talked to Sean and another co-founder, Jorge Guerrero. We went out to Dallas, spent a few hours with them, talked about their vision, about the journey to date. They've been working on this for a couple of years already and what's next with it. We actually got a chance to try it out too, and you'd be amazed at the space efficiency and you'd be amazed at the workout you get on a pickleball simulator all while you're having a great time. It's the top golf of pickleball and it's coming to a town near you.
Speaker 3:So we hope you'll have a good time listening to these conversations and if you want to check them out, we'll get the history of the name. But go to PlayCout on Instagram, P-L-A-Y-K-O-U-T or letsplaycoutcom. You can go to their website and I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation. So saddle up and have a listen. You'll be glad you did Sean Edwards, our buddy that we met at Preston Playhouse about just over a year ago at the TCD, now the PCD boot camp and, Sean, you started a different venture. You were there and tell us a little bit about your role there. Right, and you were also with TBRM Correct and now you're with an outfit called play count and I bet nobody on this podcast is going to know what that is and they're going to want to know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely so. Um, tbrm I was, uh, I started there a little over 15 years ago helping out with running a pro tennis tournament and that just kind of turned into operations graphic design. I was a food and beverage manager there for a while and then, once we had the new ownership and we started things with Preston Playhouse, then I kind of found myself going over there and being more involved with Pickleball, with um, but still doing a lot of things on the T-bar M side. And, um, it was a situation where a T-bar M member actually came to me, um, during I was helping doing, uh, during the whiskey's charity event that we just moved over from SMU and I've been working with his wife, jessica, for years of like how do we get this potentially over to T bar M someday? And we finally made it work and I was there and I was helping out and and Bahia Kuna, who's one of the co-founders, said hey, I'd really like you to check this out. Like, I know you know a lot of stuff operationally and from you know the racket industry. Um, you would you mind coming by and just checking it out? And I did, and we had a conversation that lasted two hours but it could have been one that lasted 10 hours.
Speaker 2:He was one of those where we were really bouncing stuff off each other and I saw a lot of things in what they were doing with Blake out and the simulators where I was like there's something here, and I've been in the industry for a long enough time that I've seen a lot of things come and go performance-wise and simulator-wise, and it's like there's always something lacking and it's usually re-engagement and it's usually having performance and entertainment merge and there's nothing really out there that does that. And things seem to either be way overpriced if they are out there, they're kind of cool or they just fall flat. They're just not utilized other than, hey, I'll try it once, and then I'm done. And with this I was like no, there's something, there's some legs on this where it can grow tremendously. Um, from where they'd already started, they'd already gotten it to a great point.
Speaker 2:Um, then and I said, yeah, let's, you know, I really go time in my life where I said, hey, I'm, you know, at that time, 41,. Um, this is something that I've always wanted to do, and kind of help with a startup and do the fun R and D and figure things out and just go on the fly and, you know, use creativity to and partnerships that I've, you know, developed over the years um to say, hey, let's, how, how big can this get and how how much can we grow it and improve it from what it is now? And, you know, I feel like it's in a really good spot, you know, based on where we're at right now as a B2B business um with Blake out.
Speaker 3:So it is B2B. And are you? Are you thinking residential? At some point too, we're doing a residential.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean um, right now it's, it's typically more of a luxury home residential situation. Um, we'll eventually have one that's maybe a better price point. We're talking to Pickleball Central about having our system available on there as well, but right now, our main focus is B2B for Pickleball facilities, entertainment, cruise lines, hotels, co-working spaces.
Speaker 3:That's a good point.
Speaker 1:Get you on a boat.
Speaker 2:I can't tell you how many people told me? When we were at brookhaven, we, the ppa, invited us and said, hey, can you do bring the simulator out? And we hadn't done that before. So we're like, yes, we can, we'll figure out how to do it. So we figured out how to do it, um, and it was just like non-stop of people coming in line, like there's constantly a line. The entire time I was was like, okay, this is, I need a break, sometimes like I'm out there from the beginning of the morning to the end of the night.
Speaker 2:But the feedback was like, hey, I just got off a pickleball cruise. This would be great for that. You know, because they have a lot of times pickleball cruises are we'll get to this destination, play pickleball, load up, and then it's like, well, how are you? Really? It's kind of hard to play pickleball on a cruise ship, um, but this is something that could be inside the cruise ship in different areas where you can still keep with the theme of what you're doing. So, um, you know kind of what we gained from that is okay. It's not just one venue, it's not just, hey, we need to go into pickleball facilities, it's more than that. There's other opportunities there, uh, but residential is one that we haven't eliminated. Like I said, we're doing one in a couple weeks down in Austin.
Speaker 1:So John doesn't have sea legs, so that would be fun. He's out on that one. He's out on that one. I understand. I'm not a big bill of the open water kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Maybe I watch Titanic too many times and I get a little nervous, I can imagine.
Speaker 3:No, I just remember when your ship got caught offshore and all the plumbing was done and they were on a poop cruise, and that did it for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you have a hard enough time playing when there's no movement. No, it's rough.
Speaker 3:Were you just waiting to drop that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where I was going.
Speaker 3:Okay, good. So were there other products in the market that you were competing with right out of the box?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, there's other stuff that we'd seen, either from a strictly a tennis simulator system or from a pickleball simulator, but it was mostly performance based and it was, and most of them that we saw, like I said, is kind of one dimensional.
Speaker 2:It's like here's the functionality of it and for a venue and I looked at in the past when they would approach me at T bar M from my operations side venue, and I looked at in the past when they would approach me at T bar M from, you know, my operation side they would come to me and say, hey, we have this product, and I'm like, well, okay, it may be a cool amenity, but I can't monetize it. Like how am I going to ever make my money back on something that's thousands and thousands of dollars? So our whole plan going into this is like okay, we can't just have something that's cool, because cool doesn't always last. Right, it has to be something where, like, no, we can prove that this is an opportunity where you're getting your roi back, because it's not just a performance tool, it's entertainment, it's. You know, a lot of times and we use the terminology, but other people tell us too they're like oh, it's like a top golf of pickleball.
Speaker 3:We're like yeah, basically it is so that was the first thing I thought of was like that's brilliant, you know it's like, and even some of the what are the pga super stores and stuff. They'll have their little simulator in the back where you can look at your swing. And there's some people who actually like the practice piece right almost more than they like the game piece and that's a good thing with this system, the way we created it is.
Speaker 2:You know, a lot of physics and geometry and engineering has kind of gone into this process of you know being able to use a ball machine where it's projecting the ball, you're hitting it, it hits the screen, it drops into the ball receptor and it refills the ball machine. So if you want to hit a thousand balls straight, or if you just say I just want to work on my backhand today and I want consistent feeds where I can just work on backhand and I want to go inside out, or I want to do whatever like you can do that you don't have to have a pro, you don't have to go pick up balls across the court, you can just come into our simulator and you know play as hard as you want to for as long as you want to.
Speaker 1:Basically, Now does it give feedback or tips Um on some of the performance games?
Speaker 2:Yeah, on the performance games, it's giving you some analytics of you know how accurate you are on targets. And then there's some other things that we're adding in that are giving you more of the um from an ai perspective, more feedback on performance um. But, yeah, most of it is, you know, you're seeing where you're hitting, you're hitting targets. It's giving you, you know, some some basic feedback from that for the most part, but, yes, it's reps is like the best thing. That most people come in. They're like oh, it's great that I can just hit as many balls I mean, cause you can hit 35 to 40 a minute. Uh, which is a workout. I mean that's the other part of it. I mean we were big into the fitness side of it and people come in there just play for 30 minutes and they're drenched in sweat. You know, if they want to play to that level, there's different modes beginner, intermediate, advanced. But for the advanced player that wants to play like I like that, like you'll burn some calories for sure can I tell you if you have top spin?
Speaker 1:um, it doesn't right now yeah, but those are the things like you're talking about in the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so we have a partnership that um isn't finalized yet with a partner that you would be very familiar with, but we'll let that happen when it happens just because it'll be a intrigue.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it'll be a big launch.
Speaker 2:For us, it's a good partnership that I think that we have. That kind of adds some of the things that we're lacking and some of the things that they want to be able to be associated with. So that'll be something that's coming down the line here pretty soon. Hopefully we'll see it in New York city.
Speaker 3:That's going to be amazing in Central Park. You were telling us about that. Now how many of their founders so?
Speaker 2:Baha'i yeah, baha'i. Akuna and Jorge Guerrero are the two co-founders, so they're the ones that really got this started two years ago and then they brought me on as a partner back in November. Okay.
Speaker 1:So talk about New York. What are you doing in Central Park?
Speaker 2:Yes. So Wallman Rink is obviously during the summer not ideal for skating, a little too warm even up there. But City Pickle is an organization that some people may be familiar with. They basically kind of help facilitate having pickleball in venues, temporarily sometimes, or extended. But we're working with them as they go into Wallman rink and they set up their pickleball for the summer and we'll go in and we'll have our simulator there. You know, with a ton of foot traffic, which is nice for, you know, a lot of people to get to see what we're doing.
Speaker 1:So oh yeah, I was telling you earlier, I think that there's a big campaign, a back to work campaign from COVID. You know everyone working from home back to the office and companies struggling to get, uh, their employees excited about it, and seeing that some have turned like um or um, um, made pickleball courts in the parking lots or you know, and so I can see this being something that would be cause everyone. You know they're.
Speaker 2:They have what sleeping rooms now and wellness, employee amenities become a big thing, especially with the fitness side of it. Like capital ones group that we've talked to, they're great about that. Like they have football fields, baseball fields, indoor basketball, they have pickleball, they have all this stuff because they want to provide that reason to be like, no, you can be here, have a good time, still get a workout when you need to and still have the team building elements there on site so they don't always have to go, you know, offsite to be able to generate, like some good camaraderie between teams.
Speaker 1:So can two people play on it at the same time.
Speaker 2:We do have a two player mode. It's kind of more of a. You take turns hitting, um, it's not going to feed the ball separately to two different people, but, um, we basically use our code to tell the ball machine this is a two player game. You know that's what they've selected through our user interface tablet and it knows, like, okay, you're playing this game. So how many balls come out in those games is, you know, less frequency than one of the games where it's like you want to score a high score. You need a lot of opportunities to score. So in that one, like tic-tac-toe or connect four or you know some of the other ones um, like I would step in, hit the ball, the next person would step in, hit the ball, and it's just, it's staggered enough to know that, like you need that time to to switch places.
Speaker 3:but well, the thing that I'm thinking right now because you're talking about they have targets and there's things that you're going that makes practice productive, as opposed to just going like, yeah, we have a ball machine and I'll go out and hit hundreds of balls, but I'm not really always conscious about what. Am I working on here, or am I just trying to hit to build muscle memory? So when you guys are you developing the games as well, the kind of the different modes, is that part of what you guys are doing?
Speaker 2:right, yeah, so we're taking the game elements and we're, you know, adjusting them and customizing them and trying to find, you know, what's the best way to make it successful, both for a very high level player, because we want higher level players and we've had pros, we've had um john isner play on it, oh yeah, and he said, like this is like his quote, was this dangerously fun? Which is great to hear. That is cool. Um Tyra black played on it, you know, and and she liked it. Um, a lot of higher level players have played on it.
Speaker 2:But we want it to be not just for the high level player. You know, when we look at the funnel for pickleball, you know, up here is the beginner intermediate and that's where the biggest pool of players are, um, the higher level that are higher duper. You know they're a little bit more. You know they, they enjoy the system. But we want to make it where, if you're a brand new novice player who's never even played a racket sport at all, you can walk in and within a few minutes, like you're making good hand-eye coordination, like you're making contact. You're, you know, familiar with like oh, I know, like a candy crush style game or, I know, like these type of games. So, as they're like progressing in the game, they're actually getting better at pickleball and feeling more comfortable that they can play that sport, which you know would lead to beginner lessons or clinics or open plays or you know, and kind of starting their journey into pickleball.
Speaker 2:So you're the pathway drug you kind of yeah, well, I mean, I think, every pickleball club wants to have that element to like get people hooked and that's why I, you know, I think Dave and busters is a great fit for us and great fit for them because they see the popular pickleball Um, they know that that's, you know, an area that they want to have an element of their um stores have. And we think it's another great way to just introduce the sport to players who maybe aren't familiar with it yet or they haven't walked into a pickleball facility yet, and they can do that with a friend. Or you can be a good player and have a friend with you at Dave and Buster's that never plays and y'all are still going to have a good time and have competitive play and you know, with our leaderboards, be able to see like, oh, I outscored you and it's that competitive side of it that I think is super engaging. You know, with our system, yeah, and you.
Speaker 3:We talked about this a little bit earlier. The was the original thought to have standalone facilities, and so you did a proof of concept. You did a pop-up store proof of concept, and this was an uptown. So how long was that open and what did you guys learn from that experience?
Speaker 2:So yeah, when long was that open and what did you guys learn from that experience? Um. So, yeah, when we first opened it um, we were really kind of focused more on and this is even before I got on um to the team it was focused on, well, what about you know, the fitness side of it? We really wanted to do sort of a fitness um facility that utilized other elements that we brought in for fitness, but also our simulator which was getting developed, and then, as the simulator side of it just kind of grew and said, well, this is something that's going to be a standalone thing Like the fitness is good and we can do fitness through it regardless. But doing franchises of the simulator facility is doable for us, but we think we need to focus our attention and time on growing it specifically like running facility and I know this um obviously from experience for us. But we think we need to focus our attention and time on growing it specifically like running a facility and I know this um obviously from experience it takes a lot of time. There's a lot of operational overhead and thought that goes into scheduling and keeping up with membership.
Speaker 2:And we said, okay, we were at a point now where do we keep this path going? Do we stay open at this facility? Uh, do we look at franchising? Or do we say no, let's focus all our time and energy which, for Baha'i and for myself and for Jorge, this is our full-time gig Like we're not doing a side job, you know to to this isn't a hobby for us. You know, we want to put all our effort into how do we develop this and make it what we envision seeing it and having multiple phases and growth and scale to it.
Speaker 2:So that was kind of the decision we made of yeah, we want to be able to test it, you know, here at this facility. But now it got to a point where, like, I think we know the opportunities for monetization for it, how it can be utilized. You know we had it on class pass and gym pass where we were getting. You know, we would do 10 or 12 fitness classes a week, um, where people would come in through class pass and some had played pickleball that's why they wanted to do it. Some hadn't played pickleball and they wanted a different hit style class to do fitness and really, yeah, so I mean, even that element of it was but a good, you know, revenue generator for us.
Speaker 3:That's amazing. So what was the feedback you were getting from your your customers.
Speaker 2:Um, they loved it. I mean, if you look at, you know, some of our um reviews, I mean we're at, I think, 97% or something on four and five-star reviews and like 92% were five-star. So I mean we were getting a ton of great feedback on the experience. Um, and just, it's a different thing. You know, doing a hit classes it's fun, but if you're not a super fitness like you would like a, you know, a change of pace a little bit like what else can we do? How do we make it a little bit more fun? And this made it more fun. It's not just okay, I got to do burpees and I do kettlebell swings. I got to do you know, curls. Like this kind of broke it up where we would do three people outside of the simulator bay, one person would be in and those would be the four rotations and each person would get in and rotate and it kind of gave them cardio but also, you know, a little fun that's fantastic.
Speaker 1:From the weight. That would be great. That was so fun. That's a way to make exercise fun for sure, we need to get one. That's why I prefer pickleball versus working out Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1:And people ask why I'm so fit and I'm like pickleball.
Speaker 3:People ask me why I'm so good looking. I don't know. God, Just luck.
Speaker 3:So I think so it came down to the decision are we going to be a franchise? And I think you guys are wise, because the I mean you see all the facilities going up, facilities going up, which is great, pickleball is just taken off and continues to take off, but there's gonna, we're gonna reach that, that point of right maximum density where it's not enough or there's too many and you have a component of each one. You're you're pretty much, you know, able to move and adapt as needed. Yeah we're.
Speaker 2:It's a pretty compact unit itself. The system, you know. It does have a good amount of height, almost 11 feet, but most pickleball facilities are above that, obviously because you don't want to lob into the ceiling. So, um, that hasn't really been an issue where only it's only four feet deep and then 11 feet wide, so it's easy to put in. And you know, the thing with pickleball, which is a lot different than the tennis industry, is a lot of these facilities. It's like oh, what was this before?
Speaker 2:it was a pickleball facility, cause it's probably a bed, bath and beyond, or a Tuesday morning or something. And the problem with those? Well, not really a problem. But what you end up with is an awkward amount of space where, like, the courts didn't fit to add another court there, so you have sort of dead space and it's like, okay, what do we do with it? Whatever you put there, whether it's, you know, typically lounge seating or you know whatever else, it's not monetizing that space.
Speaker 2:So this has always been, you know, a goal of ours. It's like, hey, there is an opportunity here to monetize space. That's already there. A lot of these places have that dead space, but they just don't know how to do anything with it. That's really going to be consistently a revenue stream for them.
Speaker 2:And with this it's basically like getting another court. Um, you know, if you're doing a junior program, you can put you know, let's say you have four kids, um, on the court. Well, now you can rotate them in the simulator. Now you've expanded your capacity without needing another court, without needing another pro even, and now kids are rotating in from the simulator and now they're back on court and then they go to the simulator, or however you want to structure it. But you know, for that element. It's like oh, this is a way to basically give myself another court and, from a Bay rental standpoint, charge pretty close or, if not, the same as what you would charge for a court rental. You know why would you not do it? You know cause. Otherwise you would say like oh, if we could have fit a court there we would put it there, but we can't because of space.
Speaker 1:And I think for kids wow, I mean they're, that's what they grew up doing gaming and so now you're taking something that especially this generation.
Speaker 2:I mean especially yeah, that's the other big motivation for us is, you know, get kids off their phones off their tablets for some amount of time, but we call them the look down generation. Yeah, but what they need is some of that also endorphin rush of the gaming side of it so this allows you to do that.
Speaker 2:You know, the good thing with this from a junior program standpoint is you know what kid doesn't want to play. You know a space invaders type game or candy crush type game or whatever. Um, as opposed to just grinding on the court, I mean every kid's going to say like, yes, I'll do that junior program versus one that's just only on court play. Because even with tennis, you know you would see a lower level red ball or future stars, the really beginner kids, during summer specifically. Those are long camps and you have to do a breakaway of okay, we got to stop doing tennis and do some entertainment for these kids because we're losing them. But with this it gives them that entertainment side and you're still working on the fundamentals that you want them to work on, because our system works for red ball tennis as well. We're developing the Padel version.
Speaker 1:Wait, what is red ball tennis?
Speaker 3:The softer ball.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's kind of how they, the usta, started the new junior programming, with a smaller racket with balls that kind of go from red to orange to green until they progress to a true yellow tennis ball. So those are kind of like the levels you start out in.
Speaker 3:I never knew that the ball has less, yeah, less compression, compression, so there's not as much rebound, it's bigger and, yeah, it doesn't give you tennis elbow from you know, hitting with this. I could have used one instead of hitting every ball out of the court because I'd get pissed. It would have gone over the net.
Speaker 2:Yeah huh, yeah red ball, yeah, but adults they're that's the push by usda right now is red ball tennis and doing it on pickleball courts. What so? Yeah, that's another you know strategy of the USDA which I think is great because they want to get more adults into tennis and they're thinking, you know, hey, the red ball isn't a bad way to start an adult either. It really isn't. I mean, if I'm a beginner, it's still tough to to play tennis, you know, with a standard yellow ball and a regular racket. And they found a way to say, hey, we can kind of merge. You know what they're doing with pickleball facilities, kind of help add some, uh, court time to pickleball facilities by doing, you know, some adult tennis on it and then hopefully, some of those players go on to play play true tennis. But it's a good opening, you know.
Speaker 3:Start for them we need to get our buddies uh, abe, andy and ty, we need to get them some red balls so they can go out there and play. I mean, still not bothering. No, it's I'll, I'll, I'll take, take it over later. Fill me in later I'll fill it in later. I'm still not getting the concept. Where can we find them now? If we were to find it?
Speaker 2:so dave and busters have one in yet. Well, that'll be um early june. Okay, that will be there, um, and that's kind of where we're at at this point. We're doing multiple installations across, uh, united States and we should be doing Canada by the end of the summer. But yeah, so I mean that's that's a big market for us, because a lot of cold weather, a lot of downtime where they can't be on the court, and we've gotten a ton of great feedback from that market of, yes, we need this, like they're. They're very big on having standalone facilities that are just simulator based, that may not even have any courts because of the interest in pickleball there, but the lack of facilities that have it available indoors, or just you know what options are available to to play there in canada during certain times of the year I think we take it for granted here that because we have so many outdoor courts and just the indoor courts are now starting to build up.
Speaker 1:But like my sister in Ohio that she drives 30 minutes to go play pickle, I complain driving 10. She said there's no outdoor courts really. So the north, I can see this would be a good fit for all those indoor facilities.
Speaker 3:I would like it here. I mean, the summers here are pretty brutal.
Speaker 4:Every bit is brutal.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and they say this one's supposed to be particularly nasty. So we'll be keeping an eye on where these are going. And you said you're going down to Austin.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we're doing a private residence down in Austin. Oh, okay, so that'll be one, but we're talking to a couple of franchises as well, that I'll wait until we finish those deals on which ones those are, but again, very popular ones. The one I can't speak to is Dill Dinkers, which we'll be going into in Maryland.
Speaker 1:Oh good, we know him. We know the owner of Dill Dinkers. We've met him through the kitchen cabinet and twice right, yeah, yeah, kitchen cabinet, yeah, and twice right yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, shout out to Ashley.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I can't remember his name. What is?
Speaker 3:it. Oh golly, I don't know what's his name.
Speaker 1:Oh, anyway, he's doing a great job of franchising indoor facilities up there. He told us he had to build one facility four miles from the other facility because the demand is so high.
Speaker 2:That's amazing, Right? If you can keep both of those full and they're only that far away, then that's pretty. Yeah, it's a lot of interest. That's incredible. Plays the pickleball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a really sharp guy and he's got it together. I mean he definitely has the secret sauce to this indoor facility.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's the one that connected with us a while back and he's kind of let us, you know, explain to him like, hey, what are we doing? And obviously, being a startup, we had to, you know, tell him, like, you know, this is what it is, it's not what you've seen in the past, it's not what's on the market now. And luckily he's like, okay, this is something I am willing to, you know, add to my facilities, because I think it is something that's going to be super beneficial for any facility really. But he sees the vision of how we can grow it and how you can do events with it and how you can do e-tournaments with it and obviously, what we talked about with junior program and adult clinics and classes, capacity-wise and bay rentals, and there's just so many things you can utilize it for that, luckily, he was one that said, yeah, let's get it up here Now. Can you give us an idea of?
Speaker 3:price point. If I'm, you can utilize it for that. Luckily, he was one that um said yeah, let's, let's get it up here Now. Can you give us an idea of price point?
Speaker 2:If I'm a, if I'm a facility, and I'm thinking this might be something. Yeah, so our starting one is at 29,500. So that's everything you need in the system. Um, that's the entire frame. It's, you know, getting the um projector. That's included with it. It's a short throw projector.
Speaker 2:So, unlike some other systems, we're not relying on a ceiling mount. We wanted to mount it there into the system. So, one, it's not even visible to the user. And two, so you don't have to worry about, like, if you've got a 30-foot ceiling. Well, we've got to find a way to mount a ceiling projector if there's not a wall to put it on or it gets tricky. So a ceiling projector if there's not a wall to put it on or it gets tricky. So it includes that includes ball machine, includes the screen, includes the tablet that has all the games on it, um, and then um, even paddles and balls, and you know pretty much everything. You need to say okay, once we get it, we install it, um, connect, you know, internet to it and power it up and you're good to go. You know, there's not much else that you really need yeah, yeah, this.
Speaker 3:Well, the sport's so crazy that I know there was a lot of people building their own courts, you know, trying to build it. Some of it's a problem with neighborhood restrictions or HOAs or just space, but it costs more to make a court than it would to get one of those. You can probably put it in your garage or you can put it somewhere else, so that would that would. That would be interesting if you could get that in a resident and you said you're already putting some residential.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, so I think I saw on the website. I said if you have room for pool or no ping pong table. And, by the way, it's Will Richards.
Speaker 2:That's who it is who is the founder and chief executive officer of Dill Dinkers.
Speaker 1:I just want to give a shout out to will, because we like him. Yeah, we do too very much, you do too. Yes, we're very big fans of that's what I love about the pickleball world, though, is this community. I mean, you're it, maryland? That's really far away, right, yeah, yeah, we're here, pickleball. I was thinking about that yesterday, looking at the group that we were playing with. How, where, what would my life be like without pickleball? And I would never know all these people.
Speaker 1:So it's just um you know the reason why I love the sport. Um, so are we going to get to be able to try this today?
Speaker 2:Yes, we will, absolutely. Yeah, I want y'all to get on there and, you know, give me some feedback and see how well you do, and what I want to do is go do that and then come back we can do that, if we can do that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, does that sound like a good idea? Sure, yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 3:All right, we'll be back. You know, guys, when you play on this simulator, it doesn't take long before you start thinking of all the different applications for it. And if you are a visionary and a pickleball nut, think of having one of these maybe in your waiting room at your office, or having one for your employees to take a break on at the office building, trying to get people back to work in a live environment. Throw a pickleball simulator in there. You might have a little bit more luck with that as well.
Speaker 3:As an HR person myself, I would love to have one of these. And they say that if you have room for a ping pong table, you have room for one of these simulators. And having used it myself, I can attest. And it's a lot of fun. I tell you 10 minutes. You will burn some calories to just playing games. So if you're interested at all, once again go to the Instagram PlayCout or contact them at letsplaycoutcom. I'm sure Sean or Jorge would be glad to talk to you about the application. However you'd like to use it residential or business so let's get back and talk to the fellas. Hey, we got a few minutes, so we're going to sit down now with Jorge Guerrero. He's one of the co-founders.
Speaker 4:Jorge, what's your main role in this whole startup? Thank you, John, Karen. So, as in any startup, we do all type of roles, right? So right now we're just coming down from the ladder doing the installs with one of our installs, but no, my career has been mostly on strategy, finance and tech, so I basically cover those things here around Play Cup.
Speaker 3:So are you involved in, like the actual programming and the coding?
Speaker 4:Well, not in the programming, but we talk a lot, both Bahá'í and I, to the tech team from the product side. We're very, very deep into analyzing how we want the user experience to be and we both have experience on that. Bahá'í has been all his life. He's been in tech for a long time. He comes from. He spent eight or nine years in Silicon Valley. I did some auto tech here out of Westlake, so we both understand that part of trying to just think of how a user would use a technology to have fun.
Speaker 1:Pickleball. Like I mean, you've been in tech, right, was it just like you saw this boom in a sport and said you know what? Hey, a little bit.
Speaker 4:Both Bahá'í and I, as well as Sean, we love racket sports. When we started talking, he was more into tennis. I was more into padel. When we started talking, he was more into tennis, I was more into padel. But, to your point, pickleball was booming and we thought about doing this in pickleball. But again, it was the passion and the love for racquet sports that brought us into this right. It was like trying to do something fun in a sport that we enjoy. So, yeah, that was a little bit of the tech and then something that we really enjoyed, right. So, and pickleball was really easy for us to just um, dive in um and again, the demographics, the volume, the just makes sense to to do it initially in spicable. We are now um, also doing tennis and I've already tested it, um with the ball behind for padel. I haven't gotten to the product, to the final product, but I know, I know it will. We will have a product probably by the end of the year for padell, yeah wow, now will that be a the product?
Speaker 3:the same product can change between modes, or would that be separate?
Speaker 4:yeah, the first thing is you need the walls right, the padell player wants to learn how, particularly if you're coming from pickleball or tennis.
Speaker 4:You don't know how to use the walls right, so you have. If you're going to have a simulator you're coming from pickleball or tennis you don't know how to use the walls right, so you have. If you're going to have a simulator, you're going to have to have the walls for Padel and start drilling on those like corner walls and all that. So that's the first part and then potentially we'll probably be using another machine, another one that we ball machine, but yeah, it's just just another like from the same company padell looks like such a crazy, not understanding it at all watching.
Speaker 3:It is so crazy to watch, so that would be an interesting simulator to get to. Yeah, running around I'm excited.
Speaker 1:I think it's the only way that I would start padell, because when I look at the guys doing it I'm like I feel like I would get dizzy. It would not be safe with me inside of that cage.
Speaker 4:So a simulator is right up my alley and you know it is because I've been playing padel for 30 years and what you see from tennis players is that they run back to the ball right where you know the ball's gonna bounce you back. So you better start moving in front of the net, because then you're gonna get to the to the ball easier and in in a more aggressive way.
Speaker 1:So, um, so 30 years. I didn't even know pedel existed until um, pedel.
Speaker 4:Pedel has a a similar story as pickleball. It was invented in Mexico by a family who played tennis, had constraints of space, so they did this smaller court and it happened to be that it had walls, so that was, I think, in the name. Late 1960s, early 70s, okay, and then it just started taking some momentum. And then the spaniards and the argentinian got huge in spain, for sure, in europe, and they, they obviously modified it and built the. Those were concrete walls back in the beginning. But back to your point, um, I lived in mexico until 10 years ago, so while while I was in my mid-20s, um, I played. Then in my neighborhood there were some courts and I played, yeah, and when I got here, the first thing I did literally 10 years ago was like where are some Padel?
Speaker 1:courts. Where are some Padel courts?
Speaker 4:And they didn't exist Nowhere to be found. And then, five years later, I think in 2020 or probably a little bit earlier than that, I found out that T-Bar had some. The first two Pll courts were down in t-bar, so I joined that club, I played and then I haven't played because play cup play cup has kept me busy and pickleball and all that I hate that.
Speaker 1:That's what sean's saying too. You guys get it. You got to find some time. You got a simulator right here, in your office. You should find at least an hour a day to play.
Speaker 3:We know a guy he can set you up. Yeah, he started playing at t-bar is where you found the court. Is that where you met sean?
Speaker 4:yes, where that connection came from as well.
Speaker 3:Bahai also met him there, so yeah, and bahai is, he said, his background is mainly tennis.
Speaker 4:He played tennis more than padel yes, um and that. And he joined T-Bar again because there were good tennis courts there. He likes to play in red clay. I understand that there are some red clay tennis courts there, so that's where he joined when he just came from Sanford, when he moved from San Francisco to Dallas. Yeah, and you were in Westlake, you said Well, I work for a company, an auto tech company out of Westlake called Solera.
Speaker 4:So yeah, that's where I had been doing before this, until we went crazy and said, okay, this looks easy. All startups.
Speaker 1:That thing is easy in a startup. I know this for sure.
Speaker 4:And it was two years ago probably, like more like 26 months the first time we built the first simulator we like really with our bare hands and a guy who we knew that he was good building things and yeah, it was two years ago in this same spot and oh really, yeah, we're at the OG baby at this spot right here, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So this is kind of. This is the showroom, the R&D lab, this is the whole deal for now.
Speaker 4:It's a showroom we're going to move. It's been really good because we have a lot of space here, um and um. The space is one of our partners, so it's rent free for now um, it's a plus. Hey, apple started in a garage, yeah, yeah yeah we need a little bit more space in a garage, and here in texas uh doesn't have air conditioning. At least that site here does. So, um, it worked well for us also a plus.
Speaker 3:Air conditioning is always a plus here. Um is the? Is the thought that, um, when you guys start installing these on a larger scale, are you maybe going to consider having a facility as well, or is it you guys stick it to your model, where installations is the key?
Speaker 4:we've. We've gone through the route of having a venue and basically what I have found is two things is I think what we're good at is inventing and solving for that need of bringing another um side ofleball home.
Speaker 1:So I think we're better at that than the brick and mortar and the running of it and all of that.
Speaker 4:And again it's the three of us. We work a lot and just having a venue, there's a lot of hours invested there and I think, again, our talents are best used Definitely just going on more improvement and selling and making it compelling. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of things that once we install that, the venues are going to want us to do, like, hey, we want to do a tournament, so that's going to keep us a lot of. It's going to keep us busy.
Speaker 1:I can see it Like this would be like a virtual what do you call it? Like a tournament. You could do virtual tournaments in places all across. That would be really cool. Don't they do that with like video games now?
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely that business. I'm far away from it because I'm not a gamer in the sense of gaming, but yes, there's people field stadiums and these guys, the gamers, they earn a lot of money.
Speaker 1:This could totally be like that. Yeah, I'm familiar with our kids doing this gaming online. We're like who do you meet? How old is he? Are you sure he's legit?
Speaker 4:you can definitely like do a tournament in a let's call it dave and busters and hey, everybody who comes in this saturday could play all over the 200 locations and see who breaks the record for one of the games, right, and then they can get a trophy or whatever right, and it could be sponsored by Solkirk or whatever right. So there's a lot of that that. I'm sure that's going to be down the road, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Save a lot of travel and time right. Take the top pros across the US or whatever, and have them have competitions like that. I think it would be pretty cool.
Speaker 3:Are you writing their marketing plan? How are you guys marketing? I mean, is it word of mouth right now? Is it just your connections within the industry?
Speaker 4:As of now? Yes, as a matter of fact, we are the version that you're going to see. It's been here for no longer than two weeks, right? So again, we had had it in the venue. But all of those simulators were like suited for, constructed for the venue. It was not a commercial version that I could pack up and ship it and have someone install it, and that was like the second part. That was the vision. Now that we went to the—.
Speaker 3:So you're repurposing it. It has to be redesigned completely. So when we did that and we moved out of the.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's again, it's easier said than done. Oh, yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, it took us three months, like going every single day to the manufacturer and, oh no, this corner has to be like that, oh, this Velcro has to be like that, or this velcro has to be like that and the screen has to bump like that, and we're pretty anal on certain things. So, again, it took us a while, um, again more than we expected as any venture. And so back to your point. We are using this weekend to bring a professional photo shooter and start elaborating those videos that will be in social media and all that. So, yeah, that's the summer plan, plan um, just trying to start doing social media or website and obviously worth of mouth. But it's easier when you have like really pro videos of what they can expect to, because right now there's an experience out there that you can see and you can gauge oh, this looks fun, but you don't see the products as such, right?
Speaker 1:and that's.
Speaker 4:That's the part that we're going to invest in the next couple of days it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3:I mean we're being at the in the next couple of days. It's pretty cool being at the front end like this. One thing we found out about the pickleball world too is even when it comes to business, everybody seems to be pretty helpful to one another within the community and I know that, whether it's the people you know Sean was talking about some of the pros he knows around the area and the connections you make. We've had people we've never met but just met online through, who have companies out in california. They're doing little things. Whatever they can do to help or spread the word or whatever. The pickleball community seems to be pretty collaborative I agree, totally agree.
Speaker 4:We have had people here, um, not just last week we had someone who built um sports detainment venues, right, and he was like, oh, I can introduce it to A, b, c, d and F because I'm sure that they're going to love it. And we're going to have one here on Tuesday which he went to the venue as well With that. Just hey, yeah, absolutely, and there's nothing out there, so it also serves our clients that are looking for something different. So, yeah, but to your point, absolutely the pickleball community.
Speaker 3:I found that they are, like, really helpful and yeah, yeah, dallas is a pretty good place to start too. I think what Dallas and Austin are pretty much the pickleball meccas here in Texas, with the flash here and so many facilities.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and obviously with PPA and all that, yeah. So we were, the first time we put our simulator, let's say, out of our home, out of Plano. We went to the World Pickleball Championship here in Brookhaven, yeah, and it had not rained in the whole month. And then that week we got so much rain it was like oh bad time.
Speaker 1:Remember, I do, we were.
Speaker 3:We were there, we. Luckily we weren't there the day that they said that, like all the bathrooms had flooded or something. We weren't there that day, but it was a mess.
Speaker 4:I woke up really, really worried we were going to get wet inside the simulator, so I had to go in and uninstall one thing that we had installed just the day before. Oh, no, yeah, because I I thought this is going to get wet. Um, yeah, it was. And then that was tuesday, from for monday to Tuesday, and then I left on Friday and these guys also received a really, really bad rain. But it's one of those things, man, it hasn't rained in Dallas like in 45 days, and then we get this week.
Speaker 3:I know Just an incredible week of it. That's how you know when you have a startup company is you had something installed and you got to go? Yeah, you're the one that has to go take it down. It's not like you call your crew exactly.
Speaker 4:You tell me what do I do? I do everything, it's like what do you?
Speaker 3:do?
Speaker 4:you put what has to be done I'll get the donuts and the coffee for the people who are going to come here and and help us with a shoot.
Speaker 1:So um, I'll do everything, yeah it's like your baby right oh yeah
Speaker 3:yes, yes, and it requires uh, I mean it's great. How long have you guys been at this now? Has it been over a year? Two and a half? Two and a half golly times. Okay, two and a half years, it's, it's long.
Speaker 4:But hey, we're still here. Yeah, we're still here and we got sales and um, we got really good um perspectives in in terms of like, no one has come here and said, oh, this does not interest me, right, right, it is compelling, the value proposition is there.
Speaker 3:Do you go out seeking places and tell them about the product? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Sean has visited. I think Probably there's no pickleball-related venue that he has not visited yet.
Speaker 3:So let me ask you this, just out of logistics how many of those can you produce in, say, a month? He has not visited yet.
Speaker 4:So let me ask you this, just out of logistics how many of those can you produce in, say, a month? 20 a month, at least right now, or even more. I'm not really worried about that. Again, there's a lot of components to the simulator. There's a lot of components to the simulator, but I'm not concerned about the amount that the productions that we can do it. Eventually, the hardest part is one of the one of the mechanisms is imported by europe and by yeah, it's imported. Once we got, once we get this momentum, I think we can have 50 on stock and that's it right. Then the rest of the components are locally fabricated or in California, something that I know that there won't be an issue.
Speaker 1:Now what about updates? So once you purchase something and then, as you roll out new updates, is that something done? Virtual yeah.
Speaker 4:So once you buy the simulator, there's a monthly rent and that monthly rent encompasses support and all that and obviously updates, right? So right now I think we're going to launch with seven games. Yeah, we'll continue to update those games. I'm not sure at what rate, but yeah, there's going to be novelties when time comes by.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Let's go try this dude. You ready to try it? I am Okay.
Speaker 1:Let's see.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, man wait so wait, where are you saying?
Speaker 2:just saying he burned 400 calories in like 15 minutes, yeah, because I was just, you know, non-stop hitting the ball. You know had it on the advanced set. I was playing the blocks game, which is an endless game, so it didn't have a timer, so I could just play it as long as I wanted to.
Speaker 1:So I'm just like cracking balls, for you know well, let me just say this I uh, it's got the right name. Yes flake out and so can we go over that, because we missed that soundbite, because we were in the um in the playroom. So tell us the the name where it originated from yeah, flake out it was.
Speaker 2:It was actually kind of feedback from, in those early days, somebody saying, man, this is actually like this is a pretty good workout, and we're like, yeah. So we started thinking about it's like okay workout and but you feel like you're playing, cause you're playing, you know, performance or an arcade game, so you don't think of it as much as like I didn't realize I was getting a workout while I'm there playing a game Like you. You're not doing that with bowling or with arcade games or anything else otherwise. So it was one of those where it's like okay, yeah, I mean you're playing and you're working out, let's just combine the words and you know, that's kind of how play cat was born.
Speaker 1:It was perfect. I wasn't going to play today because I needed to take a day off because my body is just destroyed and, um, I pretty much just destroyed it. That was so fun though I gotta tell you. I mean that it's a workout. I mean the target being able to you know, cause you're not just hitting a ball now, you're I mean that can really help a player go to the next level, cause you're, you have to think, you have to. You're doing two things really quick I'm watching, I'm looking at the screen, watching the ball, trying to hit the target.
Speaker 2:Which is what you need when you're playing matches. You have to use that cognitive side of it. You can do all the physical stuff you want to. How quickly is your mind thinking? One, where's this ball coming? Two, where am I going to hit it? And then three, actually executing on it, which is not always easy, because you, looking at, here's the opening in the court. You know the players have moved to this space, I have an opening, but can I focus on the ball getting there and me also hitting that target and that's what it's great at working on is like yes, you have to make those quick decisions and it's good cognitive exercise, which sometimes you just don't get, unless you're drilling a lot with a pro or I think what were the games we?
Speaker 3:We had Tic-Tac-Toe, we had Moving Target, connect Four, connect Four Darts what was that one?
Speaker 2:Darts, oh darts.
Speaker 3:Darts I actually like darts.
Speaker 1:I thought that was awesome, because that's what you outscored me.
Speaker 3:No, I outscored you on the other one way more. You only outscored me because I gave you pointers. It yeah, it works though. Yeah, yeah, so no, I can see that, having definite, you get immediate feedback, really, because you can tell if you're uh, you're missing more like I had to back up a little bit you know what it taught me?
Speaker 1:you're better at playing this game than you have shown me out there, so let's go great, okay, great.
Speaker 3:Now you have to live up to your 258 score. No, I've recorded that score, so I know you did.
Speaker 2:We'll be posting that that's what we want to see. I mean we want to see that competition of. I mean that's what brings people back and not say like oh, this was a one-time thing and I guess it's okay. Like it's, I want to beat you. Like let's play it again and see if I can get personally a higher score, personally a higher score if I can beat you regardless of score. It's just that competitive side of it that I think for the E tournaments and for the social side, like it just makes it where it's fun. Like you don't have to be worried about where you're at in the kitchen or the score or any of that stuff that I think some novice players get a little bit too worried about. Like you can just go in there and play and have a good time.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, if we had access to one, we'd destroy our bodies. I think I'm just competing. It would be like the Wii all over again. The family. That would be so fun to play with the boys in an adult Wii game, right.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, and compete with them. I'm thinking of all the applicability. I was thinking this is so stupid. But you go to the doctor's office or whatever, and you've got a 30 wait. What if the some doctor thought I'm gonna put one of these simulators in this other room?
Speaker 2:so while you're waiting, go have a few hacks over there yeah, we've talked to car dealerships, because that's another one where, like you get that kind of wait time, you can't help it's gonna go to financing, it's gonna go.
Speaker 3:This stickiness gets stick around you got the kids distracted.
Speaker 2:well, I mean, I think even for and I've seen that with with pickleball and I've got friends who do this, like they bring their kids cause they want to play as much as they want to, but they don't always have a babysitter for the kids. Well, the kids can be doing this while you're on court. It's not like they're not as annoyed. They're like oh, I've got to sit here on my tablet Like you don't want them doing. I hope my parents hurry up and finish playing because I'm bored and you know, yeah, that's right, and you know I was.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about that earlier, like with chicken and pickle, you know cause? It's it when we're out there trying to play serious, and then some kids are running around and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is annoying. But um and I, they're sitting there all day, they're on 24 hours, right, and they're playing video games, but they're sitting, and so this is a way to keep them physically active.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or they have lines outside, but some days you can't do that, or it's late at night and they don't want to. You know they don't have the lighting for it. So, yeah, I mean, that's definitely one of them that you know. It just makes sense Any anywhere where you can fit this in the space you know. And again, you don't need that much space for it, then why not? You know, why not have it in there, versus putting something outside that you may or may not be able to use or committing to actually paying for a full court to be installed. It's just, you know, you want to make sure you're getting your values worth and you'll be able to use it whenever you want to, and people can use it that aren't your same level.
Speaker 1:So we're the idiots who um set up a pickleball court in our house. When was that when, when? When was that still during?
Speaker 4:covid yeah we were, and it would rain. We, we were bored, so we set up in our house.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And I know, I know I have video of it.
Speaker 3:No, we worked on some short game skills. It was good. Now, sean, I know that you guys are on Instagram. Isn't it Plakeout? Is that your handle on Instagram and website is let's Plakeout Correct, is that right? Okay, so if people want to find out more, would that be the best way for them to go about finding out a?
Speaker 2:little bit more about you guys. Yeah, they can contact us through the website, through our Instagram Either one is fine and we'll get back to them and give more information about the system and how it can work for their venue or their home or whatever they have in mind.
Speaker 3:Well, jorge Guerrero, sean Edwards two of the three co-founders spent some time here with us today. We hope you go check them out. If not on Instagram, go to the website. Let's Play Cout. That's P-L-A-Y-K-O-U-T.
Speaker 1:That was the most physical fun I've had playing a game indoors.
Speaker 2:That's great. Yeah, that's awesome to hear.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it really is similar to Topgolf, if you think it's the games they have with the Angry Birds and Candy Crush and all that kind of stuff, except Pickleball is better yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, so better, absolutely better and easier than swinging a golf club too. So you're swinging a paddle in a golf club.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, and you can actually do it with your wife. You know, topgolf, top golf anyway, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That one wouldn't be fair. I wouldn't have a chance of winning.
Speaker 2:But pick a ball, yeah, yeah, that way just it's, it's good at bringing the whole family together. You don't have to say like oh, this is kind of more of a dad thing or this kind of more of mom's thing, like no, this is all four of us or however many like for our family to just go out and have a fun time together and compete and everybody's can kind of be at a similar fun skill level.
Speaker 3:I love it. So don't think of it as I scored 500 and you scored 100. Think of it as together we averaged 300. Okay, okay I will not sleep tonight, Right Sean. Any other final words for the audience?
Speaker 2:Um, no, I just you know we'll. We'll definitely keep people posted on where we're going in, like we mentioned Dave Buster's and Dill Dinker's and Paddle Up, and there's a lot of different franchises that we'll be going into, so we'll keep people posted on where we're at so you can find us in a venue near you very soon.
Speaker 3:And we'll be posting some video on Insta too so you can get a look at it. And obviously the podcast will drop here the next week or so and we're going to tag you guys on all the socials. So best of luck to you. This is awesome.
Speaker 2:No, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Thanks guys thank you so much for reaching out. Thank you all right.